Presented with sadness. GRL3
Sunday, June 8, 2008
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"... for to such belongs the kingdom of God." - Jesus
New York Times: "How many members of the Episcopal Church are there in this country?"
K. J. Schori: "About 2.2 million. It used to be larger percentage wise, but Episcopalians tend to be better-educated and tend to reproduce at lower rates than some other denominations. Roman Catholics and Mormons both have theological reasons for producing lots of children."
Quote from the New York Times
Q: Some people find it hypocritical that church members in some parts of the world who are so outspoken against ordaining gays are allowed to have multiple wives. Are they allowed to, and if so, what are your thoughts on that?
A: The (1988) Lambeth Convention (the once-a-decade gathering of the world's bishops) made pastoral provisions for polygamists to be received into the church. ... It seems to me that the church throughout history has made different provisions in different provinces for circumstances that aren't universal.
In case Ms. Schori is simply ignorant: Ma'am, the provision (read it all here) was made as a way of allowing the church to receive men who wanted to be Christians, while not breaking up families that had already been formed outside the church. The condition on which the church received them is that they take no more wives. In other words, while polygamous men were welcomed into the church, polygamy itself was not. Your implication about homosexuality is obvious, but the comparison is fallacious.
In case Ms. Schori is well aware of what the church did in 1988: Ma'am, how do you sleep at night?
H/T Stand Firm who H/T'd Connie Sandlin
Speaking of the Episcopal Church, KJ Schori said: "I see a glorious future."
Asked about the literal story of Easter and the Resurrection, the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church reportedly said, "I think Easter is most profoundly about meaning, not mechanism".
She kills me when she speaks of "serious scholarship." Note she believes Scripture offers examples of homosexual love in action. Good grief! GRL3
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8 comments:
VGR is in the background on the left from about 40 seconds into the clips until the 2:55 point when he crosses from stage right to stage left (i.e. to the right of the screen.)
The saddest thing is that in five to ten years this will seem totally unremarkable and completely acceptable within whatever survives of E"c"USA at that time. Save for a very few isolated stalwart voices< E"c"USA's then members will wonder why there was ever any controversy about something so obviously "good". Controversy will have moved to the acceptance of activities now deemed morally repugnant in the extreme. Such is the inevitable march of liberalism in morality.
Scott - you are, alas, absolutely on target. Rick+
Wrong, Ms. Russell. A sacrament is not, as you put it, "an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace." No, a sacrament is "an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace, given by Christ as sure and certain means by which we receive that grace" (BCP 857). The sacramental rite of Holy Matrimony is "Christian marriage, in which the woman and man [not man and man or woman and woman or the polyamorous]...in which the woman and man enter into a life-long union, make their vows before God and the Church, and receive the grace and blessing of God to help them fulfill their vows" (BCP 861). It is plainly delusional to say that God blesses what he declares to be sin, and The Episcopal Corporation cannot make it otherwise.
Let us humble ourselves and pray for pure hearts, turning away from those who call evil good and good evil.
Dean Lobs, this may be the straw that broke the camel's back. I mourn TEC . Perhaps we will move to the orthodox or Roman church. My heart is broken again.
The Bishop was wearing the most shocking shoes ever to grace episcopal feet. We in England are outraged
Susan looks as if she's had a few too many flutes of champagne.
It's time to just leave these people, as St. Paul said God leaves them, to their own devices and come home to Rome. I returned and the relief was instantaneous, even though my returning to the Catholic Church had initially jarred my strongly Protestant wife. However, with her growing disenchantment with the increasing amount of what she calls "holy roller" contemporary evangelical type services in our family's local Baptist church, not to mention the other more conservative Protestant churches and non-denominational houses of worship, her options are becoming very limited where we live in the so-called "pioneer valley" of W-Mass. There is a small Traditional Anglican Church parish nearby.
Of course, there's always the Congregationalist churches since she was one before becoming an Episcopalian.
Guess where this leaves a conservative, but traditionalist, worshipping Protestant?
I'd love to say "there's no place like (R)home" but it's best to let the Holy Spirit do what He does best and very quietly and personally.
Many Catholics wonder why more Episcopalians don't just get up and say "enough's enough" and bolt. I remind some of them the Episcopalians are like that woman Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings sang of in "Good Hearted Woman."
It's hard to leave what you've loved so much for so many years; yet it's harder to put up with as much infidelity as you have as well.
I'm praying for you and wish you all the best as you pass through this awful mess that's been thrown at your footsteps. I know what move I'd make, but I'm fully aware of what this means to you.
Godspeed and Go with Him -- He's never led anyone astray.
Steven
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